Christopher's NT Departmental Page

Last Updated -[Wed Aug 5 09:55:40 1998 by cxh]-
Some of the information below is out of date
This page contains local information about the EECS departmental NT effort.
  • Software Availability
  • Departmental NT dial tone
  • What needs to be done

  • Software Availability

    Currently, we have a very loose agreement with Microsoft about licensing of their software. We are hoping to set up a contact person and have guidelines for this software. Jan Pardoe pointed out that there is a campus discount for Microsoft:
    We can buy licenses, media, and documentation separately from each other (e.g., 20 licenses, 2 install cds, and 2 sets of docs) at a sizeable discount through a reseller called Wareforce. You can get pricing information at http://www.wareforce.com/clients/ucop.htm You can call Wareforce at 800-777-9309. The sales rep to whom I've talked is Maurice Martinez (mmartin@wareforce.com, 310-725-5502).
    From the UC end, you can get info on sofware licenses from gopher://gopher.ucop.edu/11/UC%20Systemwide%20Information%20Services/Universitywide%20News/comp/tas but they mostly just say that we have an agreement with Microsoft and that you need to contact your campus licensing office (callaway@violet) for more info...
  • NT - For People associated with UC Berkeley, The Scholar's Workstation has the following (4/98 price list): Windows NT Workstation 4.0 TCD 093007510863 $129 R
  • Frame runs under win95 and NT, but not Linux.
  • Eudora can run under Windows '95 and NT.
  • The Berkeley Internet Kit runs under Win95 or Win3.1, not NT. However, the Dialup features of NT are more than adequate.
  • The Cygnus GNU-win32 page includes a port of the GNU tools to Windows '95 and NT.
  • WSSG has things like Netscape and the eXceed6.0 X windows server for NT. However, we need to license some sort of Netscape plugin that will unzip files. Winzip has a package available for evaluation.
  • Samba is a package that allows NT boxes to access Unix files. Checkout:http://lake.canberra.edu.au/pub/samba/samba.html (Local Info)
  • Pure Inc has ported Purify over to NT. The cost for a departmental license would be $2500/year, which is on top of the $10000/year we are paying for Purify, Purecov, Quantify, and Purelink on SunOS, Solaris, HPUX, and SGI (in various combos).
    Is there interest in paying the extra $2500? I could probably get my group to chip in for some of it, perhaps $500. Anyone else want to put their money where their mouth is :-)
  • MKS Toolkit: all the Unix utilities ported to Win 95 and NT
  • MS developer's network
  • MS Tech Net
  • Network Backup: ??? CSG provides NT backup service - CSG PC backup page
  • SSH allows users to login to Unix machines from NT.
  • Kerberos? NT 4.0 uses a subset of (Distributed Computing Environment) DCE, which has some security services.

    Rumour has it that some form of Kerberos will be available in NT5.0, which is due out at the end of 1997 or the start of 1998. Also, DEC might sell some sort of DCE for NT product.

    If your machine is in the UCB eecs department, then you can download Kerberos binaries that seem to work under NT from my Kerberos User's Page.
    Cybersafe apparently has a kerberos, however it only works with kerberosV.

  • Cybersafe's phone number is 206-391-6000 (Jim Hanem: 415 391 7137).
  • Installation notes

  • Here are some links: The Programmer's Guide to MIT Kerberos V4 for DOS, Windows, and OS/2, and soon to be NT. - CU DCE newsgroup archive: Re: MIT Kerberos vs DCE-Kerberos
  • The department should get subscriptions to: MS developer's network, which is for developers and MS Tech Net, which is for sysadmins.
  • Departmental NT dial tone

    We need to determine what software will be in the NT dialtone that would be present on all machines. In part, this will be dictated by cost. Some or all of the following software could be in the NT basic dialtone:
  • Netscape
  • Microsoft Office, or at least MS Word
  • Exceed - A X server 2
  • Mathematica - we have a site license
  • Eudora
  • We could have a developer's package as well:
  • Visual C/C++ Visual Basic
  • Java
  • Gnu development tools
  • For the above packages, either we have a site license, or we can probably get Microsoft to donate licenses, or the software is freely available.

    The software below does not have a site license, but could be useful:

  • NFS client software
  • Matlab: We have a Unix site license
  • MKS tools: it would be interesting to see how much this would cost.
  • The Microsoft technotes and MSDN cds. I believe that we might be able to get a license to have technotes available on a server, but MSDN is individually licensed. I believe that these CDs include the NT Resource Kit, which has a number of cool small program.s
  • We might want to have some sort of basic setup that includes having rsh set up on the boxes. A script will need to be written that will configure the registry upon installation.

    What needs to be done

  • Determining backup strategies. Personally, I believe that users will end up having files on local disks, which will need to be backed up. Users will see the local disk space, and want to use it. Also, I'm not convinced that running all applications remotely over 100Mb enet will have sufficient performance. If we don't provide a back up mechanism, then there are a number of possibilities:
  • There are local user files, and they never get backed up.
  • Each group has some sort of adhoc NT backup system
  • Groups contract with IS&T, who are backing up machines remotely. Unfortunately, I don't think their backup systems are on the local subnet. There could be serious performance issues.
  • Groups contract with CSG, who don't yet have a NT backup plan. They probably will have a plan soon.
  • Apparently Amanda can back up NT boxes via Samba
    Back to my NT page.
    Send comments to cxh at eecs.